Your use of parody here is amazing. I've never seen anything that so brutally takes down the fallicious arguments from the left with such deft humor. It's fantastic! I'm glad to see someone like you be able to highlight how absurd the argument has gotten.
I'm confused. I thought he was serious and arguing terribly. Now, I'm not sure if he's just playing with me. It's funnier if you think of it as a critique because it's written better as that than a defense. It's hysterical as a critique, but it's just sad intellectual masturbation if it's legit.
I’m confused too. I thought it was a parody at first. Now I think it’s just poorly executed trolling, where a person says something outlandish they know isn’t true just to irritate people. Since there are millions of conservative LGBTQ people who are living proof that his theory makes no sense it obviously can’t be meant sincerely.
I wasn’t sure at first, but I’m pretty sure it is a parody account doing a pretty good job of trolling. Scroll below to where he comments “The only parents abusing children are conservatives” which sort of gives the game away. The only people who seem to make positive comments are classic “white liberal women” stereotypes who have been suckered in. It’s all a bit of a waste of time though, because although clever how he does it, there is no humour - just a stereotype of a slightly thick hateful leftist bore - others do it better. 😟
You're simply wrong and this is pure cope. Disliking people that are bigots and not wanting those type of people in the world is not "hate". Its the desire to be rid of it and all things like it that unjustly pin us against each other. Disliking hate is NOT hate in and of itself, we care about the people YOU don't care about and the people YOU actively disparage.
This is true, someone can oppose something without hating it but if your “opposition” actively harms people, then whether you personally feel hatred is irrelevant—the impact is the same.
If conservatives in fact do not hate the LGBTQ+ community, why have there been so many closeted gay politicians, and especially those who vote against LGBTQ+ rights. Why? Because conservatives are and always have been fearful and hostile to gay or trans folks and any policy that can possibly benefit them, like gay marriage, and gay conservatives keep a low, hypocritical profile exactly because of it. Lookin' at you, Lindsey Graham and that other lyin' scumbag, Mr. Larry 'Wide Stance' Craig. Why can't cruel conservative assholes just leave people the fuck alone to live their lives?
Every accusation is a confession, I swear. As a woman, I'm not afraid of trans women in the restroom. Trans women are women. What I am afraid of is straight white men. Every sexual harassment and assault I've experienced (and isn't it a shame there's been more than one?) has come at their hands.
Most all of the cruelty and violence in the world is because of men, who spend their entire lives playing and committing violence. It's not all men, but just look at the wars, rapes, pedophiles, wife beaters, and countries, like the U.S, who don't allow women equality or bodily rights. The religions were created by men, to control women and minorities. It's fucking MEN!!!
I agree but the republican messaging is always the reverse of reality. I fortunately didn’t experience much harassment during my nursing career although many doctors (mostly men) were condescending and annoying. But my sister was a court clerk in a major court system and experienced everything from being slapped on the rear to being propositioned in elevators by male DAs , judges etc without any support by supervision or accountability for those aggressors. She said she feared to report and speak up due to needing to keep her job. I am sure many women have experienced that sh@t in their lifetime.
How do you propose to differentiate between trans women and creepy straight men opportunistically taking advantage of trans-inclusive policies regarding women's bathrooms, changing rooms etc.?
Creepy straight men don't need to dress in women's clothes to access the women's restroom. They have the audacity to approach us anywhere. My sexual assaults were in my bed as a 2 year old (some adult at my parents' party came into my room and fondled me), in a car on my first date, in the elevator at work (grabbed and kissed by a superior) and on the street in broad daylight.
Is there ANY critique or criticism that you would consider legitimate and not simply dismiss as "homophobia" and "hate speech?"
For instance, if I suggested that the practice of castrating little gay boys and injecting with estrogen to attempt to turn them into little girls is harmful, and that we should be fine with letting them be gay boys who grow up to be gay men, I am making a major criticism of current "LGBTQ+" ideas, and even questioning whether the TQ+ belongs with the G. Would you dismiss that as "homophobia" or "hate," or would you respond to my critique with reason, argument, evidence, and a good-faith attempt to persuade me to see the matter in a different way?
If every criticism or critique is "hate" or "phobic," then people who don't already agree with you 100% will come to think that you don't have the ability to defend your position with anything else than that, and will become quite indifferent to charges of "homophobia" or "hate."
Are you claiming that no same-sex-attracted male children have ever been castrated in order to "affirm" their gender identity? That this has literally never happened?
You're throwing out some absurd simplification of a hypothetical scenario and becoming all enraged. Do you believe that all parents hate their children and the government should have the final say on any and all decisions? That sounds like authoritarianism to me.
Most gender affirming care is to reduce breast size in boys. Are you against that? The reality is that you're getting worked up over a misrepresentation, and your reckless, emotional response ends up hurting people who need care.
I don't stick my nose into the medical decisions of other people and neither should you. I'm guessing you're not a doctor, and if you are, you shouldn't be violating patient privilege.
However, I do have a problem with the way conservatives elevate known sex offenders to positions of power. They are the greatest single threat to the wellbeing of our children.
Simply being given estrogen doesn't turn a guy into a girl. Holy fuck, yall are bumbling idiots. There are NUMEROUS medical reasons to give someone estrogen, all males naturally produce it as well, you dunce.
Nice argument, dumbass. Just because you're brainwashed and don't like the truth, does not mean that its not the truth. Sounding like an ignorant, uninformed moron isn't going to get you far. But I'm sure you know more than medical professionals, right? get your head out of your ass and listen to your betters.
Insane how the only research yall do on anything is listening to some right wing grifter tell you what you want to hear. Go outside, touch some grass, and stop pretending that your a genius about topics when you clearly haven't actually looked into them at all.
You're exhibiting the standard, simplistic, and/or dishonest thinking people on the fringes always use: I know a person in group X who believes Y therefore all people in group X believe Y.
There's an even better generalization and it's much closer to the truth than yours:
‘If you’re not a liberal when you’re 25, you have no heart. If you’re not a conservative by the time you’re 35, you have no brain.’
No I’m not. Hurting the LGBTQ+ community is fundamental to the conservative ideology. They don’t hide it. Modern conservatives are pretty awful people, your quote is from the time when conservatives occasionally stood for something decent.
dumb fuck conservatives getting butthurt and immediately proving our point will never get old lmao. You're pathetic. If I could capitalize the the period at the end of that statement, i would.
Isn’t it kind of basic critical thinking to realize that agreeing on one thing doesn’t mean signing up for the whole platform?
Most people don't hate LGBTQ people (Even Trump doesn't, there were many Trans people at his Maralago celebration). Most people literally just don't care, and have other priorities when it comes to their vote. There are definitely conservatives who are actively homophobic, but the majority simply have other priorities that they believe are better served by the Republicans than the Democrats. The deficit, foreign policy, tax levels, concern over ideology in schools, etc. can all be other priorities without having much particular care about homophobia.
Ironically, this is literally the sort of piece that "radicalizes" conservatives into being homophobic. If you portray things that one has to either agree with your preferred political party (which, there may be some key differences of opinions on other issues that are far more important, so this will never happen), you are pushing conservatives towards the homophobic position. If someone can't be conservative without being homophobic, then you are telling conservatives (who won't change their mind because they don't care much about this issue) to be homophobic.
At least in my country, citizens don't directly vote on policies. They vote for bundles of loose policies claimed to be supported by elected officials, who then may or may not follow through on those stated goals.
You don't get to monopolize politics to be about one issue when there are many more impactful decisions to be made as to the direction of the country. What's sad is that no matter how outraged you are, it won't make anyone care who doesn't already.
In the US, the only promise conservatives regularly deliver on is to inflict pain on the LGBTQ+ community, and that's the hate they're loudest in spreading. Conservatives are awful, hateful people.
Respond to hate with hate, and you're bound to lose sympathy for your beliefs. You can't cast light in the darkness with more darkness.
Generalizing homophobia upon half the country won't convince a single conservative. It's either preaching to the choir or further radicalizing people towards the position you hate.
Nonsense. You're talking about the paradox of hate. You don't have any obligation to be tolerant of hatred.
Those that preach hatred against the LGBTQ+ are violent child abusers. You're sitting there defending people who attack children and thinking you're on the right side of this debate.
Alright. You have successfully made me more likely to vote conservative in the future. An unreasonable position like yours is exactly what politics doesn't need.
Que the: "You're voting to abuse children, hate people, etc."
I don't hate anyone, but clearly you have quite a lot of hatred.
If you vote for people who hurt my family, you're accountable. That means you're out of my life. Full stop. This appalling arrogance that you don't seem to think you should be accountable for your actions is what is destroying our country.
Objecting to certain components of gender ideology has nothing to do with hating people because of their sexuality. Sexuality and gender identity are two completely different concepts.
How so? Sexuality governs the types of bodies a person is attracted to. Gender identity is the internally felt sense of whether you belong to one sex/gender or another. They're just two completely different concepts. What about this claim is invalid?
Even if it was true that every single person opposed to at least one component of gender ideology or at least one trans-inclusive policy was motivated solely by hatred of trans people (dubious, at best), it remains the case that gender identity and sexuality are completely different concepts which are only tangentially connected at best. I don't know why you're pretending not to understand this.
And here you are talking down to and ignoring all the conservative LGBTQ people. I am not going to call it hate, but what is it? Moral superiority leading to a honking blind spot?
I'm not talking down to anyone. I'm just stating a fact. If you vote for hatred against the LGBTQ community, you are homophobic. Conservative ideology is all about hating that and many other groups. They offer absolutely nothing and only work to inflict pain on vulnerable populations. That's just a fact. It doesn't make it okay to practice hate just because you happen to be a member of the group you target. We need to defeat hate and stand for human rights. I'm sorry you don't agree with that.
Walter, just to be clear, you are saying that all gay conservatives must be self hating and homophobic. Do you not see that this is a condescension ? You, in essence are saying, “I know you better than you know you, and I know your motives better than you do.”
Your use of parody here is amazing. I've never seen anything that so brutally takes down the fallicious arguments from the left with such deft humor. It's fantastic! I'm glad to see someone like you be able to highlight how absurd the argument has gotten.
Sadly, I don't think it's a parody. It is an epic self-own, though.
I’m pretty sure this isn’t a parody. But I really hope I’m wrong. It surprises me that there really are people who think this way.
I'm confused. I thought he was serious and arguing terribly. Now, I'm not sure if he's just playing with me. It's funnier if you think of it as a critique because it's written better as that than a defense. It's hysterical as a critique, but it's just sad intellectual masturbation if it's legit.
I’m confused too. I thought it was a parody at first. Now I think it’s just poorly executed trolling, where a person says something outlandish they know isn’t true just to irritate people. Since there are millions of conservative LGBTQ people who are living proof that his theory makes no sense it obviously can’t be meant sincerely.
I wasn’t sure at first, but I’m pretty sure it is a parody account doing a pretty good job of trolling. Scroll below to where he comments “The only parents abusing children are conservatives” which sort of gives the game away. The only people who seem to make positive comments are classic “white liberal women” stereotypes who have been suckered in. It’s all a bit of a waste of time though, because although clever how he does it, there is no humour - just a stereotype of a slightly thick hateful leftist bore - others do it better. 😟
Once again, your arguments are all made of straw. A person can oppose something without hating it. Or can’t you wrap your mind around that?
If a person works to dissolve my marriage, that means they hate me.
Or can't you wrap your mind around that?
If a person pushes forward policies that gets certain groups of people killed, that's a hate ideology.
You don't get to hurt people and claim you're innocent.
It's called accountability.
>If a person pushes forward policies that gets certain groups of people killed, that's a hate ideology.
Which policies are you referring to?
Note that significant components of woke/progressive ideology are "hate ideologies" under this definition.
You're simply wrong and this is pure cope. Disliking people that are bigots and not wanting those type of people in the world is not "hate". Its the desire to be rid of it and all things like it that unjustly pin us against each other. Disliking hate is NOT hate in and of itself, we care about the people YOU don't care about and the people YOU actively disparage.
This is true, someone can oppose something without hating it but if your “opposition” actively harms people, then whether you personally feel hatred is irrelevant—the impact is the same.
I've met homosexual Trump voters! Make it make sense.
You'd think those would be voters we could reclaim.
If conservatives in fact do not hate the LGBTQ+ community, why have there been so many closeted gay politicians, and especially those who vote against LGBTQ+ rights. Why? Because conservatives are and always have been fearful and hostile to gay or trans folks and any policy that can possibly benefit them, like gay marriage, and gay conservatives keep a low, hypocritical profile exactly because of it. Lookin' at you, Lindsey Graham and that other lyin' scumbag, Mr. Larry 'Wide Stance' Craig. Why can't cruel conservative assholes just leave people the fuck alone to live their lives?
It's bad enough that they vote for cruelty, but then they have to add the insult of denying it. It's really frustrating.
Truly frustrating & backwards!!!
Every accusation is a confession, I swear. As a woman, I'm not afraid of trans women in the restroom. Trans women are women. What I am afraid of is straight white men. Every sexual harassment and assault I've experienced (and isn't it a shame there's been more than one?) has come at their hands.
Absolutely, and for some reason the predators keep getting elected.
Most all of the cruelty and violence in the world is because of men, who spend their entire lives playing and committing violence. It's not all men, but just look at the wars, rapes, pedophiles, wife beaters, and countries, like the U.S, who don't allow women equality or bodily rights. The religions were created by men, to control women and minorities. It's fucking MEN!!!
SO TRUE!!! You’re NOT alone in this!!!
I agree but the republican messaging is always the reverse of reality. I fortunately didn’t experience much harassment during my nursing career although many doctors (mostly men) were condescending and annoying. But my sister was a court clerk in a major court system and experienced everything from being slapped on the rear to being propositioned in elevators by male DAs , judges etc without any support by supervision or accountability for those aggressors. She said she feared to report and speak up due to needing to keep her job. I am sure many women have experienced that sh@t in their lifetime.
How do you propose to differentiate between trans women and creepy straight men opportunistically taking advantage of trans-inclusive policies regarding women's bathrooms, changing rooms etc.?
Creepy straight men don't need to dress in women's clothes to access the women's restroom. They have the audacity to approach us anywhere. My sexual assaults were in my bed as a 2 year old (some adult at my parents' party came into my room and fondled me), in a car on my first date, in the elevator at work (grabbed and kissed by a superior) and on the street in broad daylight.
No I don’t. Yes you do! This is all they’ve got and it doesn’t matter. You cannot argue with stupid.
How they convince themselves not to see the pain they inflict is stunning.
Is there ANY critique or criticism that you would consider legitimate and not simply dismiss as "homophobia" and "hate speech?"
For instance, if I suggested that the practice of castrating little gay boys and injecting with estrogen to attempt to turn them into little girls is harmful, and that we should be fine with letting them be gay boys who grow up to be gay men, I am making a major criticism of current "LGBTQ+" ideas, and even questioning whether the TQ+ belongs with the G. Would you dismiss that as "homophobia" or "hate," or would you respond to my critique with reason, argument, evidence, and a good-faith attempt to persuade me to see the matter in a different way?
If every criticism or critique is "hate" or "phobic," then people who don't already agree with you 100% will come to think that you don't have the ability to defend your position with anything else than that, and will become quite indifferent to charges of "homophobia" or "hate."
Completely making things up like you're doing is homophobic. Glad to help clear that up.
That does indeed provide a very clear answer to my question, thank you.
Are you claiming that no same-sex-attracted male children have ever been castrated in order to "affirm" their gender identity? That this has literally never happened?
You're throwing out some absurd simplification of a hypothetical scenario and becoming all enraged. Do you believe that all parents hate their children and the government should have the final say on any and all decisions? That sounds like authoritarianism to me.
Most gender affirming care is to reduce breast size in boys. Are you against that? The reality is that you're getting worked up over a misrepresentation, and your reckless, emotional response ends up hurting people who need care.
Do you deny that boys are being given estrogen to turn them into girls?
I don't stick my nose into the medical decisions of other people and neither should you. I'm guessing you're not a doctor, and if you are, you shouldn't be violating patient privilege.
However, I do have a problem with the way conservatives elevate known sex offenders to positions of power. They are the greatest single threat to the wellbeing of our children.
It is a moral stance. Children need to be protected from their parents when they are being abused.
The only parents abusing children are conservatives
Simply being given estrogen doesn't turn a guy into a girl. Holy fuck, yall are bumbling idiots. There are NUMEROUS medical reasons to give someone estrogen, all males naturally produce it as well, you dunce.
Yes, there are "NUMEROUS" medical reasons to give underage boys estrogen. Get serious.
Nice argument, dumbass. Just because you're brainwashed and don't like the truth, does not mean that its not the truth. Sounding like an ignorant, uninformed moron isn't going to get you far. But I'm sure you know more than medical professionals, right? get your head out of your ass and listen to your betters.
Insane how the only research yall do on anything is listening to some right wing grifter tell you what you want to hear. Go outside, touch some grass, and stop pretending that your a genius about topics when you clearly haven't actually looked into them at all.
You're exhibiting the standard, simplistic, and/or dishonest thinking people on the fringes always use: I know a person in group X who believes Y therefore all people in group X believe Y.
There's an even better generalization and it's much closer to the truth than yours:
‘If you’re not a liberal when you’re 25, you have no heart. If you’re not a conservative by the time you’re 35, you have no brain.’
https://hoisttheblackflag.substack.com/p/is-it-misinformation-disinformation
No I’m not. Hurting the LGBTQ+ community is fundamental to the conservative ideology. They don’t hide it. Modern conservatives are pretty awful people, your quote is from the time when conservatives occasionally stood for something decent.
What a massive faggot.
dumb fuck conservatives getting butthurt and immediately proving our point will never get old lmao. You're pathetic. If I could capitalize the the period at the end of that statement, i would.
Isn’t it kind of basic critical thinking to realize that agreeing on one thing doesn’t mean signing up for the whole platform?
Most people don't hate LGBTQ people (Even Trump doesn't, there were many Trans people at his Maralago celebration). Most people literally just don't care, and have other priorities when it comes to their vote. There are definitely conservatives who are actively homophobic, but the majority simply have other priorities that they believe are better served by the Republicans than the Democrats. The deficit, foreign policy, tax levels, concern over ideology in schools, etc. can all be other priorities without having much particular care about homophobia.
Ironically, this is literally the sort of piece that "radicalizes" conservatives into being homophobic. If you portray things that one has to either agree with your preferred political party (which, there may be some key differences of opinions on other issues that are far more important, so this will never happen), you are pushing conservatives towards the homophobic position. If someone can't be conservative without being homophobic, then you are telling conservatives (who won't change their mind because they don't care much about this issue) to be homophobic.
Voting for homophobic policies makes you homophobic
At least in my country, citizens don't directly vote on policies. They vote for bundles of loose policies claimed to be supported by elected officials, who then may or may not follow through on those stated goals.
You don't get to monopolize politics to be about one issue when there are many more impactful decisions to be made as to the direction of the country. What's sad is that no matter how outraged you are, it won't make anyone care who doesn't already.
In the US, the only promise conservatives regularly deliver on is to inflict pain on the LGBTQ+ community, and that's the hate they're loudest in spreading. Conservatives are awful, hateful people.
Respond to hate with hate, and you're bound to lose sympathy for your beliefs. You can't cast light in the darkness with more darkness.
Generalizing homophobia upon half the country won't convince a single conservative. It's either preaching to the choir or further radicalizing people towards the position you hate.
Nonsense. You're talking about the paradox of hate. You don't have any obligation to be tolerant of hatred.
Those that preach hatred against the LGBTQ+ are violent child abusers. You're sitting there defending people who attack children and thinking you're on the right side of this debate.
You're not.
Alright. You have successfully made me more likely to vote conservative in the future. An unreasonable position like yours is exactly what politics doesn't need.
Que the: "You're voting to abuse children, hate people, etc."
I don't hate anyone, but clearly you have quite a lot of hatred.
If you vote for people who hurt my family, you're accountable. That means you're out of my life. Full stop. This appalling arrogance that you don't seem to think you should be accountable for your actions is what is destroying our country.
Conservatives don't understand the definition of strawman lmao
Objecting to certain components of gender ideology has nothing to do with hating people because of their sexuality. Sexuality and gender identity are two completely different concepts.
Your statement is too much of a generalization to be valid.
How so? Sexuality governs the types of bodies a person is attracted to. Gender identity is the internally felt sense of whether you belong to one sex/gender or another. They're just two completely different concepts. What about this claim is invalid?
You're pretending people aren't making their objections out of hate. The whole conservative party is based on hate and misrepresentations of reality.
Even if it was true that every single person opposed to at least one component of gender ideology or at least one trans-inclusive policy was motivated solely by hatred of trans people (dubious, at best), it remains the case that gender identity and sexuality are completely different concepts which are only tangentially connected at best. I don't know why you're pretending not to understand this.
Yup, they're separate concepts, and conservatives use both of them to spread their malicious hatred against innocent people.
And here you are talking down to and ignoring all the conservative LGBTQ people. I am not going to call it hate, but what is it? Moral superiority leading to a honking blind spot?
I'm not talking down to anyone. I'm just stating a fact. If you vote for hatred against the LGBTQ community, you are homophobic. Conservative ideology is all about hating that and many other groups. They offer absolutely nothing and only work to inflict pain on vulnerable populations. That's just a fact. It doesn't make it okay to practice hate just because you happen to be a member of the group you target. We need to defeat hate and stand for human rights. I'm sorry you don't agree with that.
Walter, just to be clear, you are saying that all gay conservatives must be self hating and homophobic. Do you not see that this is a condescension ? You, in essence are saying, “I know you better than you know you, and I know your motives better than you do.”
you talk about "sexual assault" and then conservatives put rapists in power
Just because a person is a member of a group that's being oppressed, doesn't mean that oppression is okay.
The plain fact is that conservatives oppress the LGBTQ+ community.
Conservatives are a hate group.
There is no excuse for that.
Nope, you're the one who demonstrates a poor understanding. I feel bad for you. Try to release that hate you feel.
Conservatives aren't the lawyer, they're the guilty person. They elect guilty people to positions of power.