I feel Hogg was trying to illustrate the hypocrisy of Clinton's original criticism, but the DNC refuses to adapt to changing times so they misrepresented his comments. They refuse to listen and that's why they lose.
I am one of the “old folks” that believes in change. I didn’t vote against dump, I gladly cast my vote for Kamala. I was shocked when she lost to that befuddled Putin wannabe. The country can’t wait for all of us to die off. I spoke to dozens of “old folks” at Saturday’s No Kings rally that feel the same as me.
Agreed, I am part of the “old folks “ group that believes in aggressive, progressive policies that are shouted from every media outlet as often as possible. I wish I had the means to afford hard hitting advertising because I would be in Fox’s face with advertising for the reality that taxing the extreme rich benefits everyone, healthcare for all benefits everyone, strong labor rights benefits everyone. I could go on. And where are the “ progressive “ millionaires/billionaires in all this right wing state TeeVee? Surely they can’t stay on the sidelines for much longer before this country becomes untenable for everyone to live here. It’s time for Democrats to leave playing nice behind and turn to supporting all tenets of the constitution, not cherry picking parts that excuse overriding the will of the people. It’s time for Dem/Independent lawmakers to acknowledge that they can’t trust republicans to do the right thing anymore. That ship left the dock during trump 1.0. Bipartisanship has become a sinkhole for Democratic leaders, and they need to treat it as approaching adversarial parties, not friendship. When a political assassin kills a fellow legislator, a Democrat, where were the republican leaders condemning the actions of a lunatic domestic terrorist, or coming out to work with Dems to curtail the violence against elected officials? Anyone? It just demonstrates that the right wing ideology has tipped over into justification for violence against the opposition. So my point is no more silence on accepting right wing excuses, propaganda or conspiracy theories, fight back with facts, evidence and everything we have.
Check out the hair color in the No Kings photos! There are plenty of us old folks there. WE REMEMBER when at least some of our leaders were decent and truthful, and actually wanted to accomplish something positive for the country and world. When the world “integrity” didn’t make people snicker. We remember when an average family could have a house and jobs that fed them. We remember when kids didn’t throw chairs at teachers and didn’t get shot in school. We remember when public discourse could be impassioned without being vituperative and aimed at being as ugly about “others” as possible. The country sure wasn’t perfect, but we tried to work on it. Civil Rights, Women’s Rights and bodily autonomy, the EPA. Yeah, that was us old people. And we will not stand back and let those gains be ripped away!
My best friend’s grandmother had a saying “the faulty finder often finds the stink behind her.” It applies to the Democrat leadership and the DNC. And when teaching we learned if a large percentage of your students wrongly answer a question, it’s YOUR question that’s at fault. We disparage the experiences and feelings of people in pain. Finding out WHY they feel this way is far more productive than lecturing them how ignorant and wrong they are.
Im just going to rant here, so scroll on past if you so desire. What you have said is very well put, although I doubt the the democratic leaders will take heed or, more importantly, change their attitude. Hogg made good points and his intentions were to better the party and shake up all of the Shumers to do their damn jobs. When you are sitting in a job that goes on recess several weeks out of the year, not including holidays, don't hold town halls or accept visits from your constituents during those breaks, enjoy luxury accommodations on your travel junkets to places most Americans can afford to go, have free, elite health insurance and a lifetime pension without having to work over 30 years to attain, then deny advancement within your ranks to those with better ideas, your ratings are going to go even lower. But, by all means, keep sending those "I need money", or those "Need your input surveys - coupled with a donation request" and don't do a damn thing to address the needs of the majority of those living in America. Or maybe I should say "struggling to survive" in America. Grow the hell up and do your damndest to help our country and everyone who lives here. You're killing the Democratic Party.
99.9% of these people are acolytes of the Bill Clinton Democratic Leadership Council’s money-grubbing agenda set in the 1990s. They remain the oligarchs beholden to money interests and not civic leadership. They are less than useless at this moment in history.
David Hogg quoted Clinton to the letter and the DNC kicked him out of his position. The reason is that when he said "get over yourself" he was talking to ineffective politicians who refuse to represent us, when Clinton said it was an attack on voters.
Don't blame voters. Listen to them.
We've seen again and again that blaming the voters leads to fascism. We need to be able to respectfully discuss the flaws in their strategy--and those flaws come from the insiders. Time to change.
I disagree ! Bottom Line: You CANNOT underestimate the power of the Republican Propaganda Machine (through ALL forms of media) - the Dems/Left have 1 % of the media - Republicans have 99% - see Brian Taylor Cohen’s YouTube videos re this issue - yes it’s the D’s fault for NOT investing in all forms of media yes to that - but 2024 Voters were voting based on fiction not realty - voters literally thought inflation was going up when it was coming down but yes voters prices were still high (thanks to corporate market manipulation by Kroegers & others keeping prices high on purposes) - SO YES Voters can & were manipulated into voting AGAINST their own interests (ie the media crushed discussion of Project 2025) - a 2-party Democracy CANNOT survive where 1 party (R) has embraced Fascism & the other party (D) is supposed to hold up the entire country all by itself - while out of power) to preserve Democracy - it’s impossible - finally Voters have become MASSIVELY SELFISH: “if it doesn’t affect me then I don’t care” mentality - so I say let them all suffer for their selfish votes when they lose their healthcare & their hospitals close - maybe next time (if there is a next time) the voters will do more homework about who they’re voting for than just get Fed propaganda by their chosen media source - you CANNOT put ALL this Crap on the backs of the Dem Party - yes they have to get tougher & start fighting & get a f’n media plan BUT we have been moving steadily to the right in this country since Fox News started 40 yrs ago & with Reagan’s tax cuts & SupCt Citizens United case & all the Voter Suppression cases by the Rs - don’t put all that crap on the Dems backs - the Republicans have hated Democracy for a LONG TIME cuz they realized letting everyone vote would mean Republicans would lose power for YEARS ! Those are the real facts - Get Off the Dems backs & do the hard work to get our Democracy back from our current Fascist status !
Then you should be addressing the misinformation, not blaming the voters. If you've identified the problem... do something about it! Establishment whining doesn't help.
I’m 61 and I identify politically much more with Democratic Socialists and people like AOC, Bernie Sanders, Jasmine Crockett, and Pete Buttigieg. We need smart people who understand the law, civics, history, and what it’s like to be poor or working class. We need change and either age limits or term limits, or some combination of both along with a system to evaluate just how effective each member of Congress is in serving the public’s interest and not their own. The way we vote in this country is anti-democratic. The Electoral College needs to die. We can no longer afford to allow 2 Senators per State regardless of population. We need all voices. I’m tired of “freedom” as a buzzword.
I am so sick of Chuck Schumer, I squirm every time I see or hear him. At this point I only vote Democratic because it’s usually better than the alternative. What will it take for the party to listen and act?
Please get this writing into the hands of the democratic leaders
They are losing so many people and the fascists know it
Hillary Clinton put us back 12 months and Hoggs response was just as detrimental
Please don’t give up on us!
I feel Hogg was trying to illustrate the hypocrisy of Clinton's original criticism, but the DNC refuses to adapt to changing times so they misrepresented his comments. They refuse to listen and that's why they lose.
Once the old folks all kick the bucket, the young'uns can start working on real change.
I am one of the “old folks” that believes in change. I didn’t vote against dump, I gladly cast my vote for Kamala. I was shocked when she lost to that befuddled Putin wannabe. The country can’t wait for all of us to die off. I spoke to dozens of “old folks” at Saturday’s No Kings rally that feel the same as me.
Agreed, I am part of the “old folks “ group that believes in aggressive, progressive policies that are shouted from every media outlet as often as possible. I wish I had the means to afford hard hitting advertising because I would be in Fox’s face with advertising for the reality that taxing the extreme rich benefits everyone, healthcare for all benefits everyone, strong labor rights benefits everyone. I could go on. And where are the “ progressive “ millionaires/billionaires in all this right wing state TeeVee? Surely they can’t stay on the sidelines for much longer before this country becomes untenable for everyone to live here. It’s time for Democrats to leave playing nice behind and turn to supporting all tenets of the constitution, not cherry picking parts that excuse overriding the will of the people. It’s time for Dem/Independent lawmakers to acknowledge that they can’t trust republicans to do the right thing anymore. That ship left the dock during trump 1.0. Bipartisanship has become a sinkhole for Democratic leaders, and they need to treat it as approaching adversarial parties, not friendship. When a political assassin kills a fellow legislator, a Democrat, where were the republican leaders condemning the actions of a lunatic domestic terrorist, or coming out to work with Dems to curtail the violence against elected officials? Anyone? It just demonstrates that the right wing ideology has tipped over into justification for violence against the opposition. So my point is no more silence on accepting right wing excuses, propaganda or conspiracy theories, fight back with facts, evidence and everything we have.
Check out the hair color in the No Kings photos! There are plenty of us old folks there. WE REMEMBER when at least some of our leaders were decent and truthful, and actually wanted to accomplish something positive for the country and world. When the world “integrity” didn’t make people snicker. We remember when an average family could have a house and jobs that fed them. We remember when kids didn’t throw chairs at teachers and didn’t get shot in school. We remember when public discourse could be impassioned without being vituperative and aimed at being as ugly about “others” as possible. The country sure wasn’t perfect, but we tried to work on it. Civil Rights, Women’s Rights and bodily autonomy, the EPA. Yeah, that was us old people. And we will not stand back and let those gains be ripped away!
My best friend’s grandmother had a saying “the faulty finder often finds the stink behind her.” It applies to the Democrat leadership and the DNC. And when teaching we learned if a large percentage of your students wrongly answer a question, it’s YOUR question that’s at fault. We disparage the experiences and feelings of people in pain. Finding out WHY they feel this way is far more productive than lecturing them how ignorant and wrong they are.
Im just going to rant here, so scroll on past if you so desire. What you have said is very well put, although I doubt the the democratic leaders will take heed or, more importantly, change their attitude. Hogg made good points and his intentions were to better the party and shake up all of the Shumers to do their damn jobs. When you are sitting in a job that goes on recess several weeks out of the year, not including holidays, don't hold town halls or accept visits from your constituents during those breaks, enjoy luxury accommodations on your travel junkets to places most Americans can afford to go, have free, elite health insurance and a lifetime pension without having to work over 30 years to attain, then deny advancement within your ranks to those with better ideas, your ratings are going to go even lower. But, by all means, keep sending those "I need money", or those "Need your input surveys - coupled with a donation request" and don't do a damn thing to address the needs of the majority of those living in America. Or maybe I should say "struggling to survive" in America. Grow the hell up and do your damndest to help our country and everyone who lives here. You're killing the Democratic Party.
99.9% of these people are acolytes of the Bill Clinton Democratic Leadership Council’s money-grubbing agenda set in the 1990s. They remain the oligarchs beholden to money interests and not civic leadership. They are less than useless at this moment in history.
Meanwhile thousands of people are giving up
Protests are happening and no change
only more power from the billionaires
Now more than ever your words matter thank you
Really good article! Could not agree with you more!
If you don’t know voters are a problem, you haven’t correctly assessed the situation.
I’m not saying some changes don’t need to be made. Chuck Schumer needs to step aside for exp.
Joe Biden was actually a good president stepped aside for you. That still wasn’t enough.
1. Bernie Sanders is not&never was qualified to be president. Talking, no actions, my way or the highway, no knowledge or interest in foreign policy.
2. Joe Rogan was not a worthy journalist.
3. If you don’t show up to vote, quit whining.
4. If your excuse was Joe Biden’s policies on Israel, so you either voted or facilitated Trump’s win, FU.
I think Netanyahu is a war criminal. I believe in a 2 state solution, but you need to exercise your voice, not withdraw.
A dirty secret which seems apparent: liberal misogyny.
I block ppl who just don’t like Hillary Clinton.
David Hogg quoted Clinton to the letter and the DNC kicked him out of his position. The reason is that when he said "get over yourself" he was talking to ineffective politicians who refuse to represent us, when Clinton said it was an attack on voters.
Don't blame voters. Listen to them.
We've seen again and again that blaming the voters leads to fascism. We need to be able to respectfully discuss the flaws in their strategy--and those flaws come from the insiders. Time to change.
I disagree ! Bottom Line: You CANNOT underestimate the power of the Republican Propaganda Machine (through ALL forms of media) - the Dems/Left have 1 % of the media - Republicans have 99% - see Brian Taylor Cohen’s YouTube videos re this issue - yes it’s the D’s fault for NOT investing in all forms of media yes to that - but 2024 Voters were voting based on fiction not realty - voters literally thought inflation was going up when it was coming down but yes voters prices were still high (thanks to corporate market manipulation by Kroegers & others keeping prices high on purposes) - SO YES Voters can & were manipulated into voting AGAINST their own interests (ie the media crushed discussion of Project 2025) - a 2-party Democracy CANNOT survive where 1 party (R) has embraced Fascism & the other party (D) is supposed to hold up the entire country all by itself - while out of power) to preserve Democracy - it’s impossible - finally Voters have become MASSIVELY SELFISH: “if it doesn’t affect me then I don’t care” mentality - so I say let them all suffer for their selfish votes when they lose their healthcare & their hospitals close - maybe next time (if there is a next time) the voters will do more homework about who they’re voting for than just get Fed propaganda by their chosen media source - you CANNOT put ALL this Crap on the backs of the Dem Party - yes they have to get tougher & start fighting & get a f’n media plan BUT we have been moving steadily to the right in this country since Fox News started 40 yrs ago & with Reagan’s tax cuts & SupCt Citizens United case & all the Voter Suppression cases by the Rs - don’t put all that crap on the Dems backs - the Republicans have hated Democracy for a LONG TIME cuz they realized letting everyone vote would mean Republicans would lose power for YEARS ! Those are the real facts - Get Off the Dems backs & do the hard work to get our Democracy back from our current Fascist status !
Then you should be addressing the misinformation, not blaming the voters. If you've identified the problem... do something about it! Establishment whining doesn't help.
I’m 61 and I identify politically much more with Democratic Socialists and people like AOC, Bernie Sanders, Jasmine Crockett, and Pete Buttigieg. We need smart people who understand the law, civics, history, and what it’s like to be poor or working class. We need change and either age limits or term limits, or some combination of both along with a system to evaluate just how effective each member of Congress is in serving the public’s interest and not their own. The way we vote in this country is anti-democratic. The Electoral College needs to die. We can no longer afford to allow 2 Senators per State regardless of population. We need all voices. I’m tired of “freedom” as a buzzword.
I am so sick of Chuck Schumer, I squirm every time I see or hear him. At this point I only vote Democratic because it’s usually better than the alternative. What will it take for the party to listen and act?